Comments on: More Recent Camel Deaths in Saudi Arabia http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/ Topics posted on ISOCARD blog should be related to camelids only Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:26:17 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: hayfaa2008 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-13 hayfaa2008 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:24:21 +0000 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-13 I congratulate ISOCARD for creating such blog and iam sorry for late , ibelive all that happend becuse the bad mangment and may by ther somone in this matter {It is just speculation} I congratulate ISOCARD for creating such blog and iam sorry for late , ibelive all that happend becuse the bad mangment and may by ther somone in this matter {It is just speculation}

]]> By: M. Reda http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-12 M. Reda Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:13:09 +0000 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-12 It is hard to believe that such strong animals can die from ........... Camel racing give the animals needed exercises and should not even be considered. I think it is similar to the recent Croc. Death in India. It is just speculation. More clinical test has to be done. M. Reda Consultant It is hard to believe that such strong animals can die from ………..
Camel racing give the animals needed exercises and should not even be considered.
I think it is similar to the recent Croc. Death in India. It is just speculation.
More clinical test has to be done.

M. Reda
Consultant

]]> By: iaw1955 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-11 iaw1955 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:06:16 +0000 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-11 Hello Dr. Ghalib and the group- The blog is a great idea- It came to my knowledge that salinomycin, an ionophore antibiotic, was to blame for the death of camels in Saudi Arabia. “Ionophore antibiotics are used in farming for the prevention of coccidiodomycosis in poultry and to alter gut flora in order to improve nutrient absorption in ruminants. However, this class of antibiotics affects both animal and bacterial cell physiology. Their mechanism of action at the cellular level is to selectively bind certain ions creating intra- and extracellular biochemical disturbances. The ions bound vary with different members of this class of drug, with salinomycin preferentially binding potassium. This interferes with potassium transport across mitchondrial membranes, resulting in low intracellular energy production”. The same antibiotic caused the death of many camels in Dubai some time ago. Another member of the group, Monensin, was also suspected to cause some camel deaths in Abu Dhabi several years back. The identification and quantitation of ionophore antibiotics in feed and biological matrices is relatively easy with LC-MS-MS. Dr. Ibrahim Wasfi Hello Dr. Ghalib and the group- The blog is a great idea-
It came to my knowledge that salinomycin, an ionophore antibiotic, was to blame for the death of camels in Saudi Arabia. “Ionophore antibiotics are used in farming for the prevention of coccidiodomycosis in poultry and to alter gut flora in order to improve nutrient absorption in ruminants. However, this class of antibiotics affects both animal and bacterial cell physiology. Their mechanism of action at the cellular level is to selectively bind certain ions creating intra- and extracellular biochemical disturbances. The ions bound vary with different members of this class of drug, with salinomycin preferentially binding potassium. This interferes with potassium transport across mitchondrial membranes, resulting in low intracellular energy production”. The same antibiotic caused the death of many camels in Dubai some time ago. Another member of the group, Monensin, was also suspected to cause some camel deaths in Abu Dhabi several years back. The identification and quantitation of ionophore antibiotics in feed and biological matrices is relatively easy with LC-MS-MS.

Dr. Ibrahim Wasfi

]]> By: iaw1955 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-10 iaw1955 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:04:05 +0000 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-10 Hello Dr. Ghalib and the group- The blog is a great idea- It came to my knowledge that salinomycin, an ionophore antibiotic, was to blame for the death of camels in Saudi Arabia. "Ionophore antibiotics are used in farming for the prevention of coccidiodomycosis in poultry and to alter gut flora in order to improve nutrient absorption in ruminants. However, this class of antibiotics affects both animal and bacterial cell physiology. Their mechanism of action at the cellular level is to selectively bind certain ions creating intra- and extracellular biochemical disturbances. The ions bound vary with different members of this class of drug, with salinomycin preferentially binding potassium. This interferes with potassium transport across mitchondrial membranes, resulting in low intracellular energy production". The same antibiotic caused the death of many camels in Dubai some time ago. Another member of the group, Monensin, was also suspected to cause some camel deaths in Abu Dhabi several years back. The identification and quantitation of ionophore antibiotics in feed and biological matrices is relatively easy with LC-MS-MS. Hello Dr. Ghalib and the group- The blog is a great idea-
It came to my knowledge that salinomycin, an ionophore antibiotic, was to blame for the death of camels in Saudi Arabia. “Ionophore antibiotics are used in farming for the prevention of coccidiodomycosis in poultry and to alter gut flora in order to improve nutrient absorption in ruminants. However, this class of antibiotics affects both animal and bacterial cell physiology. Their mechanism of action at the cellular level is to selectively bind certain ions creating intra- and extracellular biochemical disturbances. The ions bound vary with different members of this class of drug, with salinomycin preferentially binding potassium. This interferes with potassium transport across mitchondrial membranes, resulting in low intracellular energy production”. The same antibiotic caused the death of many camels in Dubai some time ago. Another member of the group, Monensin, was also suspected to cause some camel deaths in Abu Dhabi several years back. The identification and quantitation of ionophore antibiotics in feed and biological matrices is relatively easy with LC-MS-MS.

]]> By: bfaye http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-8 bfaye Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:31:15 +0000 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-8 these exchqnge are quite interesting and must be increased. My concern is that the overmortality reported in Saudi Arabia got a good benefit from media but overmortality is a big problem in other countries especially in Africa without mediatic support. Of course the causes seem to be different (new emerging viruse? combination of virus and bacterial contamination? Hemoparasitosis? intoxication?). Unfortunately it is difficult to get samples (blood, organs) for analysis in reference lab. We have to share the results of the analysis and of epidemiological study. I expect that a special round table could be organized at the next ISOCARD conference. these exchqnge are quite interesting and must be increased. My concern is that the overmortality reported in Saudi Arabia got a good benefit from media but overmortality is a big problem in other countries especially in Africa without mediatic support. Of course the causes seem to be different (new emerging viruse? combination of virus and bacterial contamination? Hemoparasitosis? intoxication?). Unfortunately it is difficult to get samples (blood, organs) for analysis in reference lab. We have to share the results of the analysis and of epidemiological study. I expect that a special round table could be organized at the next ISOCARD conference.

]]> By: DR ARSHAD IQBAL http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-7 DR ARSHAD IQBAL Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:43:25 +0000 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-7 ISOCARD forum really deserve a lot of appreciation for its setting which is an ideal source of interaction among camel researchers.To me something wrong happened with the feeding material of camels.To sort out the issue feed analysis along wih soil analysis be made manadtory for having a complete answer.Along with this other feeding management factors also be considered.I think there could be a general mnagemnt problem also.Investigation results be shared through website will be highly appreciated. ISOCARD forum really deserve a lot of appreciation for its setting which is an ideal source of interaction among camel researchers.To me something wrong happened with the feeding material of camels.To sort out the issue feed analysis along wih soil analysis be made manadtory for having a complete answer.Along with this other feeding management factors also be considered.I think there could be a general mnagemnt problem also.Investigation results be shared through website will be highly appreciated.

]]> By: Nasir K. Kamat http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-6 Nasir K. Kamat Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:18:38 +0000 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-6 First of all I think this new service is really important and will facilitate the information share for members or non members interested in camelids health research. For the case of camels death in saudia arabia I think this case should reveal whether the prior investigation reached the real cause of that massive deaths few months back (feed sprayed with poisonous insecticidal). If I may suggest to the ISOCARD memebers form saudia arabia to post a detailed clinical findings of the case if it was available, so other members will be able to give more informed tentative diagnosis. First of all I think this new service is really important and will facilitate the information share for members or non members interested in camelids health research.
For the case of camels death in saudia arabia I think this case should reveal whether the prior investigation reached the real cause of that massive deaths few months back (feed sprayed with poisonous insecticidal).
If I may suggest to the ISOCARD memebers form saudia arabia to post a detailed clinical findings of the case if it was available, so other members will be able to give more informed tentative diagnosis.

]]> By: hammadhussain http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-5 hammadhussain Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:25:56 +0000 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-5 I congratulate ISOCARD for creating such blog. About the deaths, I can purpose that the suspected fodder / feed should be analyzed for the presence of any toxic materials and testing it on lab animals. I suspect it could be mycotoxin or some poisonous plant. We can only rule out these by some scientific analysis. I congratulate ISOCARD for creating such blog. About the deaths, I can purpose that the suspected fodder / feed should be analyzed for the presence of any toxic materials and testing it on lab animals. I suspect it could be mycotoxin or some poisonous plant. We can only rule out these by some scientific analysis.

]]> By: Umar Saleh Gwani http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-4 Umar Saleh Gwani Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:36:08 +0000 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-4 As the above comment indicated, many of us gathered thethe deaths occur as a result of contaminated feed, the root of the cause for such death should be investigated so that the findings will benefit all involved in camel research. I will also like to commend ISOCARD for establishing this blog it will foster the interaction between members, Keep it up. As the above comment indicated, many of us gathered thethe deaths occur as a result of contaminated feed, the root of the cause for such death should be investigated so that the findings will benefit all involved in camel research. I will also like to commend ISOCARD for establishing this blog it will foster the interaction between members, Keep it up.

]]> By: bfaye http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-3 bfaye Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:08:48 +0000 http://isocard.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/more-recent-camel-deaths-in-saudi-arabia/#comment-3 It seems there is a lack of epidemiological study. It should be interesting to have the true history of this event with the exact number of death animals and so on. It seems there is a lack of epidemiological study. It should be interesting to have the true history of this event with the exact number of death animals and so on.

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